Immigration

Meredith just looks at me funny when I start talking about politics so I thought I would write about this here. When it come to illegal immigrants I really am torn. On the one hand I have my “want to follow the rules” self who believes very much that if everyone followed the rules life would be better. Think about it. If we didn’t have people coming in illegally we could open up the borders to more people legally. So all of those people who are breaking the law to come here are hurting those people who are doing things right. That bugs me. I believe there is a right and a wrong way to do things, and I think that people shouldn’t be rewarded for doing things the wrong way.

On the other hand I understand this longing for a better life, and the soft heart in me wants everyone to have a chance to live with the freedoms and opportunities that I have. The Christian part of me that loves grace and wants to take Jesus’ call to help the poor literally wants to say that all are welcome and we will move over and try to find some room.

So I have both of these viewpoints running around in my head and I don’t really know what to do with them. So here are a few of my thoughts.

  • No matter what their legal status Christians should be going out of their way to minister to immigrants. Every pastor in the south should be actively working on learning Spanish (I’m not doing this either, and I think it is wrong)
  • If we suddenly grant amnesty for all of the illegal immigrants who are in this country what about the ones who come in tomorrow. I mean when does it stop? Do we just open up our borders and annex Mexico?
  • About the whole march thing I think it is cool that they here in our country they have the freedom to express themselves in such a way.
  • Of course I think it is a little weird to use the laws of this country for your purpose when you broke the laws of this country to get here.
  • If you are going to come and be an American be an American. Sink in deep into the melting pot and join us. Don’t leave your heritage behind completely, but when you are rallying for freedom given to you by a country that you have entered illegally and that you now want to give you amnesty it would be a good thing not to wave the flag of the country that you left. I mean that just makes common sense.
  • Simply because I have a problem with immigration issues doesn’t mean that I don’t like Hispanics. I’m not racist if I want people to follow the law.
  • Maybe the laws do need to be changed, but can anyone really argue that we need a totally open border? I don’t think so.
  • So since there must be some sort of laws about immigration does that make us racist?
  • I’m tired of hearing about the “cheap labor” of Hispanics as a reason we shouldn’t reform this whole issue. What we are saying is that we are mistreating them by not paying them a minimum wage and that is a good thing because at least they get to live here.
  • Wouldn’t it be better for the Hispanics for them to get a visa and therefore get all of the protections that an American worker has?
  • My thinking is if you want to be here and be a part of us that means jumping on board with the whole thing, taxes and all (I do know that some illegals use fake ss numbers and do actually have taxes taken out of their checks so isn’t all of them who are getting paid under the table)
  • There is this running theme on talk shows and comedy shows that the whole state of California would grind to a halt if you tightened the immigration laws. Why? Why can’t we trade illegal workers for legal ones? Why can’t we trade people who snuck here for people who are here on work visas?
  • I don’t have a problem with people working towards citizenship, but again if you are going to be an American a little assimilating would help.

I think for me it all comes down to following the rules. I can’t really see rewarding people for breaking the rules. If we honestly reformed immigration and made it so that no one came here illegally, but lots more people came legally then I think things would be better for the immigrants and for us. But of course this has become a political issue now so the chance of having an honest discussion about it and making logical changes to laws will never happen. Now people will just call each other names and blame the problem on the other guy. Welcome to American politics.

5 thoughts on “Immigration

  1. John says:

    Well, living in Texas and being married to a legal hispanic, I pretty much agree with you. Amnesty would be a huge mistake. I have no problem with the amount of people here. I have a huge problem with our government basically encouraging people and businesses to break the law. I have a huge problem with the outrageous car insurance/health insurance problems. I have a huge problem with our public school system becoming an absolute joke trying to incorperate all the illegals. I have a huge problem with an uninsured illegal causing an accident and him not suffering any consequences. I have a huge problem with the city of dallas spending $415,000 dollars on police overtime for there rally. I could go on for awhile.

    We can have a guest worker program, hire them in mexico, provide health/car insurance. The hiring company must be responsible for them. They need to be protected (alot of the illegal day labourers here will work a day with someone, and then they will not pay them.) And they can be paid a sub minimum wage rate. They can then come and work here as long as that job lasts. If they want to live here, they need to go through the process.

    If someone breaks into my house and moves into my guest bedroom. Maybe I let them stay if they wash my dishes and clean my toilet. But if I wind up with 12 people living in my guest room eating all my food, and overrunning my toilet, and then they start telling me how things are going to be,and about all the rights they have, I have got a huge problem on my hand.

    I’m just glad this issue is finally at the forefront.

    Also this issue has absolutely nothing to do with race. I live just outside dallas and yes there where half a million hispanic’s that marched. There at least that many legal hispanic’s that want them all to go back to mexico.

  2. The Average Youth Minister says:

    Thanks your post was much better worded than mine.

  3. -B says:

    I think John’s post was very insightful and well put. I just wanted to add a couple of anecdotes from my limited personal experience, without delving too much into any of the legal, moral, or religious aspects of the debate.

    Living in Shane’s small hometown of Mayfield, KY, pop. about 10,000 (at least on the books), we have, over the past several years, seen a large amount of Hispanics come to live in and around our community. I generally don’t have a problem with this, except for when it comes to paying taxes, and a little concern as to whether or not teachers are slowing down my children’s learning process due to language barriers. (I’m aware that there are probably some Hispanics who know more English than my kids, but still I have to wonder.)

    Well, this past Monday we had our own little march here in town. Again, I don’t have any major issues with this. Just a few interesting things I did pick up on: 1.) saw an interesting concoction of a flag that was half stars and stripes and the other half the Mexican flag, 2.) found out on the news that night that an estimated 60% of our county’s Hispanic population are here illegally, and 3.) the same news broadcast was interviewing a Hispanic gentleman who kept going on about a chance to just "make a living", as he stands in front of his very nice Chevrolet Avalanche with all the options and HUGE chrome wheels that cost a fortune. (I have no problem with him owning a nice vehicle – as long as it’s insured – it’s just interesting how so many people frame an argument around them doing the low paying jobs that nobody wants, and he’s driving this vehicle.)

  4. Cate says:

    I went to Nuevo Laredo, Mexico on a mission trip last year and I’ll be going back in a few months.

    I understood the Mexican people more after seeing their homes and walking down their streets.

    I agree that they should only be able to live here if they do things that legal way. I know that the Hispanic people of Laredo, Texas who are there legally, cannot stand the ones who are here illegally.

    Personally. I think many of the Hispanic are so accustom to their way of living that the American way is like Greek to them. I have to hold my tongue when I hear people down the Hispanic people but they are doing absolutely nothing to help them or reach them.

    We could all be doing more. I keep thinking, "What if that were me?" And I moved to a different country in the middle of my life?

    I understand about the ones who are illegal, but my heart goes out to the ones who are legal.

  5. The Average Youth Minister says:

    my heart goes out to the illegal ones too. Whatever our political stance on the issue the church should be bending over backwards to help them.

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