Middle Earth Creationist?

The problem with the internet is that it allows me to vehemently defend positions that I have held for all of three days and even have sources to back me up. This morning as I was writing down my final outline for my youth lesson today I just kept coming back to the other side of the intelligent design discussion, the side that holds to an older earth idea, but still a creator of man and a full belief in the inaccuracy of the Bible.

I think today, like the true Creationism Agnostic that I am, that I am really feeling like a believer in a middle ground between the young earth and old earth people. Let me make some totally uniformed bullet points that I will never be able to defend later, but represent where I am at this moment as I continue to research, pray about, and generally ruminate on this subject.

  • I can fully believe that if God made Adam as a full grown man that he could have made the earth as already old.
  • I believe in a universal flood, and that catastrophe of all catastrophes had a profound effect on the earth.
  • In looking at the rest of the Hebrew scriptures I see many places where genealogies are problematic at best when it come to determining years. This doesn’t mean that the Bible is wrong, just that it isn’t real concerned with exact dates, but rather a retelling of major events.
  • I still have a problem with a millions of years life cycle of dinos and other things that happened before the fall. I see the fall as a world breaking event.
  • As such the death of thousands of created creatures (such as dinosaurs) would not be possible before Adam and sin

So I am now espousing a totally non-informed, opinion that I am calling the Middle Earth Creationism theory. (Which probably more accurately should be called the Adult Earth Creationism Theory, but I like the Tolkien sound of my way) This theory says that God created the world and that he made it in 6 days, but that we have no way of knowing when that time line happened so the time from Adam could have been 50,000 years or more. So the earth is both old and young.

See that at least makes my brain stop hurting for a while, but tune in tomorrow when I am sure to have a new theory partially cooked up from my own brain and partially misinformed by books and the internet. (Sometimes there is too much information in this information age).

Disclaimer: Just so no one yells at me about teaching this when I don’t even know what I believe, from the beginning (last week) I have been teaching that there are 3 major theories (evolution, old-earth creation, and young-earth creation) and trying to present the arguments that the two creation camps make. So tonight I will be doing the same.

3 thoughts on “Middle Earth Creationist?

  • July 15, 2010 at 12:57 AM

    It’s a tough one!
    There are those who believe in a young earth because they first believe the Bible.
    There are those who do not believe the Bible because they are convinced of an old earth.
    There are those who believe that an old earth does not make the Bible wrong, because they believe both.
    There are some who believe the Bible because enough holes were poked in the worldview of old earth & no creator, and Christianity then looked like a credible option.

    I don’t think an in-between scenario works, but the one you’ve described is not so much in-between as modified creationism.

    Both sides have so much evidence for & against that it’s more like a fictional whodunit, or the real-life 1-in-100 legal/investigative case that is hard to solve, than the obvious cases that make up most of real life. Answers in Genesis has done enough to make a young earth credible (I’m in Australia where some of AiG is based) but there’s so much that fits the standard old-earth view.

    Yesterday I was reading stuff by Johnathan Gray, which is really way out there, with advanced science & technology (late 20th century level) before the flood, and some surviving after.

  • November 27, 2012 at 3:58 AM

    With regard to your concern about extinction events occurring before the fall, perhaps its the case that creaturely death did occur before the fall. When God introduces a curse in Genesis 3, I believe that He is speaking specifically to the serpent, then to Eve and finally Adam as the head of humankind. It’s possible, then that the “for you are dust and to dust you shall return” was a pronouncement that, because of their sin, death would now reign in humanity the same way it affected other creatures. In fact, God’s very reasoning for booting Adam and Eve from the garden was “lest they should also eat from the Tree of Life and live forever.”

    On all other accounts, I really like the way you are thinking. There’s a great (albeit weighty) book by Vern Poythress called “Redeeming Science” that has several chapters on ways Christians can engage with Genesis is a way that is both biblical and scientific. He cites many of these examples (genealogies, mature world, flood/fall effects)

    Blessings to you,

    • November 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM

      One of the annoying things about this current blog design is that there is no easy way to just scroll through daily posts. There was a good 6 week span here where I really wrestled with all of these ideas. I think a search for evolution would get you to most of the if you are interested in the journey.


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